Victoria’s children

Fuck them all. Be it Yediyurappa, or Gehlot, or the Sri Ram Sene, or the KRV, or the MNS, or the Shiv Sena, or the Bajrang Dal, or the VHP, or any other pea-brained “leader” or group, they all have one thing in common. They are Victoria’s children. People who’s sense of history and culture is limited to the 19th century – the Age of Victoria. That’s why they can only see obscenity where none exists, and that’s the source of their prudishness. Given the way they go about behaving in public, one can only imagine how they treat their women. Do they cover them in jute bags, keep them in cow sheds, make them wear chastity belts, and wear it themselves? I don’t know, and I don’t want to either. All these practitioners of Victorian Hinduism should go back to their native country – Britain. Or else they can go and hug their cousins – the Taleban from Afghanistan.

There is no single “Indian culture” or “Hindu culture,” and if these illiterate idiots had ever bothered to read history, or stopped rewriting it just like the Marxist historians do, they would find that everything from prostitution to pubs to drinking to gambling to beef eating is part of “Indian culture.” Sauvik has written a post on the same, and he refers to Kautilya’s (350 B.C.E.) magnum opus, “The Arthashastra”. I have read a bit of it, and given the long list of regulations prescribed in the treatise, I don’t completely agree with Sauvik’s “ancient Indian culture was closer to the Goa Model of Liberty than the Taliban.” Kautilya was no liberal, or libertarian – he was a paranoid consequentialist who saw every bit of public policy from that viewpoint. And the punishments he prescribes for some crimes (like adultery) are as brutal as those of Hammurabi. But the fact is, he didn’t declare “pub culture” as anti-Indian. And that’s why all those people I have honored above should be tied to their chairs and made to read each and every word of the Arthashastra.

In his political economy, Kautilya has a place for the “Chief Controller of Entertainers, Courtesans, Brothels, Prostitutes, and Other Entertainers.” The Kautilyan State trained and protected prostitutes, laid down rules of contractual behavior, and appointed “madams” to run brothels. There is also a provision for “independent prostitutes.” Then Kautilya writes about the “Chief Controller of Gambling and Betting.” This person is charged with “ensuring that gambling is carried out [only] in designated places under the supervision of honest gambling masters.” Then there is the “Chief Controller of Alcoholic Beverages.” It was this fellow who organized the sale of [many varieties] of alcoholic beverages and the construction of pubs for the purpose. “The drinking rooms shall be made pleasant in all seasons by providing them with perfumes, flowers and water.” And “the liquor seller employed beautiful female servants” for spying. Apparently the pubs performed a dual role.

Its obvious that these idiots have no idea of what “Hindu culture” is. I have previously written about how even the sari is a recent phenomenon – “‘for millennia’, Indian women went about bare from the waist upwards.” But then, you cannot reason with donkeys. They only understand one language – that of mob warfare – the big fat stick. Form a violent group with a thousand members ready to vandalize anything at the drop of a hat – show “brotherly love” by molesting women – and people like Yediyurappa and Gehlot will come and worship you. Talk to them in a civilized manner, and they will spit on your face and throw you in jail.

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  • you12  On January 29, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Its not a question what Hindu culture permits. Its about whats right and wrong. Culture can’t be the yardstick to decide right and wrong.

    I don’t know whats more dangerous. These hooligans and their actions or the support they get.

    However on a philosophical note I have never quite understood how can retrograde outlook be considered a virtue.

  • Aristotle The Geek  On January 30, 2009 at 12:40 am

    “Culture can’t be the yardstick to decide right and wrong.”
    Correct. Just because something “is”, doesn’t mean it “ought” to be that way; just because in some cultures men beat their wives, that doesn’t mean that it is “right.”

    “I don’t know whats more dangerous. These hooligans and their actions or the support they get.”
    The tacit support. If they were not confident of support, or the fact that people will hide in their houses instead of confronting them, they wouldn’t dare to go and do what they did.

    “I have never quite understood how can retrograde outlook be considered a virtue.”
    Religion – their “virtues” are based on religion, and its interpretation by the priestly class. That’s what collectivism is all about.

  • Prashanth Bhat  On January 30, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    So you have finally had a take on it. I have just grown insane over the last few days after looking at those brutal clippings where all notions of individual liberty was butchered and buried. I chanced upon a discussion in this below mentioned forum and you would do well to take a look at the kind of nonsense that passes for a debate in a public forum.

    As I had asked you once before, is there a way out of this? Are we ever going to learn to respect others freedom without being offended at the drop of a hat? I am scared of everything around me. I am afraid to talk to people, the bus conductors, the shopkeepers, colleagues, just about everybody around me. Everybody seems so devoid of any courtesy. Is there going to be any respite from any of this?

  • Vipin  On January 30, 2009 at 3:03 pm


    I was working in Mumbai for 3 months. And it was that season of Ganesh Chaturti et al, there were some political rallies also. And my womyn friends were petrified to leave their homes on such days because of these hardline hooligans, many of whom are just teen age sex starved morons!

  • Aristotle The Geek  On January 30, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    “I chanced upon a discussion in this below mentioned forum”
    Churumuri’s reporting is good, but the few times I did leave my comments there, nothing came out of it. So I just follow the blog, and link to it when there is something interesting going on.

    “As I had asked you once before, is there a way out of this?”
    No, not in the near future. People and their “hurt sentiments” are not going disappear. We live in a world that is “civilized” on the face of it; but barbaric in actuality.

    “I am scared of everything around me.”
    No point being scared. When I get angry, I write a blog post, comment on other blogs and talk to people about it. There is nothing else that can be done – and worrying about things beyond your control – however brutal they may be – is pointless, and unhealthy, beyond a certain degree. One needs to live one’s life knowing the fact that things will remain as they are – caution is good, excessive caution is bad.

    “Is there going to be any respite from any of this?”
    I would reiterate what I said here. Unless you are willing to get violent – and I am not, unless it is in self defense – condemnation is the only way to gain the moral high ground. The “senas” need to be told that not everyone supports their activities.

    Our political system is fucked up beyond redemption. I can only hope that people come to their senses sooner or later. But that’s wishful thinking. Pessimism is not something I enjoy, but there are no reasons for optimism here.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On January 30, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    while im of the opinion that any type of violence on women is unacceptable, the degree of hype this incident has got among the indian media fraternity is astonishing. and also controversial. a spectacle monopolized and the camera’s eyes on choice disguised.

    never in history have 3-4 women been slapped around by thugs in this country like the one in mangalore *cough* and it marks the arrival of the “hindu taliban”.

    the freedom to enjoy at pubs. the freedom to follow one’s religious beliefs. the freedom of contradiction. freedom contradicting freedom. the temptation of freedom combined with the fear of loosing freedom. fear has yet again proved to be our ONLY GOD.

  • Aristotle The Geek  On January 31, 2009 at 12:57 am

    “the degree of hype this incident has got among the indian media fraternity is astonishing”
    You have to admit that it makes a great story – the Hindu Taleban and all that. The original Taleban have blown up schools, prohibited music and dancing, told barbers to stop shaving men’s beards etc etc.

    “freedom contradicting freedom.”
    There are no contradictions here. The SRS is free to stop visiting pubs if it wants to follow its religion; its not free to bash women around. If its that concerned about Indian culture, it should go and bash Indra and the apsaras instead, for spending the whole day drinking “somras” and dancing wearing skimpy outfits.

    One day these people are going to receive their comeuppance.

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