Democratically-elected terrorists

The Economic Times editorializes

The Israeli air assault on Gaza, fierce even by Israel’s brutal standards, has once again highlighted the complicity of the US and the UK in the atrocities committed against the Palestinian people. The stated aim — destruction of Hamas — is only part of what Israel wants to accomplish with this latest campaign.

Israel wants to create a fresh crisis, just as the new President takes over in the US, which further delays the larger political resolution of the Palestinian-Israeli dispute. The attacks are also a continuation of the Israeli project of denying Palestinian rights while reinforcing the idea of supremacy of its army.

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Since Hamas’ election victory in 2006, Israel faced a democratically elected Palestinian government, which was just not as ready to bend over backwards as Palestine Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

It is undeniable that Hamas’ ideology is embedded in a certain conception of nationalist Islam, and that a major issue is its official position of not recognising the state of Israel. But equally indisputable is the fact that it was electorally chosen by the Palestinians precisely because of the rampant corruption within, and inefficacy of, the Palestinian Authority.

The ‘middle path’ at work again. The Palestinians elected the Hamas to govern themselves – fine. But when it comes to Israel-Palestine relations, the Hamas does not recognize Israel. And neither does most of the Islamic world – Jordan and Egypt are notable exceptions. Not only that, Hamas is a terrorist organization hell bent at wiping Israel off the face of the earth, a dream it shares with so many other Islamo-fascist terror groups and Islamic theocracies and republics. That it does not have the capability, yet, in no way means that its intentions are any less dangerous. That is why all this bull-shit about democracy must stop – now. Democracy does not grant legitimacy to terrorists, although many world ‘leaders’ would like to see that happen. Every one who wants Israel to show restraint needs to know what Hamas’ ideology is

On 25 January 2006, after winning the Palestinian elections, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar gave an interview to Al-Manar TV denouncing foreign demands that Hamas recognize Israel’s right to exist. After the establishment of Hamas government, Dr Al-Zahar stated his “dreams of hanging a huge map of the world on the wall at my Gaza home which does not show Israel on it…I hope that our dream to have our independent state on all historic Palestine (including Israel). This dream will become real one day. I’m certain of this because there is no place for the state of Israel on this land”. He also “didn’t rule out the possibility of having Jews, Muslims and Christians living under the sovereignty of an Islamic state, adding that the Palestinians never hated the Jews and that only the Israeli occupation was their enemy.”

I would like to see editors and world leaders negotiating with people who do not recognize their right to exist – it should be, well, a piece of cake. There is but one solution to the whole conflict – an agreement where the entire Arab world recognizes the State of Israel. If that does not happen, one of these days, Israel will find that the only way it can prevent rockets from killing its people is by carpet-bombing the entire Gaza strip.

In this excellent NYT article, Benny Morris explains the Israeli position, especially their fears. Western ‘democracies’ do themselves a great disservice when they look at Israel as the aggressor. If Israel goes, so will the West.

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  • Dsylexic  On December 31, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    It is obvious to me that you dont look upon the Israeli state as a terrorist. The Jewish people are one thing.The terrorist client state of the US that Israeli state zionism is something other.
    Even the Chabad house Jews killed in Mumbai were Jews who didnt believe in the legitimacy of the Israeli state. The Israeli state is a manifestation of the guilt of the whites(Brits/Americans).An outpost for the white nations in the land of black gold.
    Until the discovery of oil,Israel was not even a gleam in the British politician’s eye. -rather some place in Uganda was marked as the ‘chosen’ land
    The US ,as Ron Paul points out,arms both the Arabs and Israelis with billions of dollars of arms and watches the fun ,making profit of people’s unfortunate circumstances.The AIPAC zionist lobby has virtually every American politician (except Ron Paul) in its pockets.No wonder they are all pro Israeli (not necessarily pro jew)

    If the ‘west’ goes. -I dont know where it is going to go-is that necessarily a bad thing?.What do you mean that the West is going to ‘go’?.Does it mean their hegemony in military with 700 bases worldwide?Does it mean the end of the brettonwoods system?. I would think all these would be welcome changes.

    Many of the Arabs do recognize Israel.In anycase,Israel in the middle east is a reality.So they are bound to accept it.It doesnt mean that the rest of the world needs to tell either of them how to behave.The best the other people can do is just stop interfering and supplying arms.Free trade ,yes,state sponsored aid -no

  • Aristotle The Geek  On December 31, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Geopolitics and the libertarian agenda don’t go too well, do they? This is one of the two problems (the other being the possible side effects of not controlling free ‘trade’ in everything from hard drugs to weapons that can take down entire cities within hours) I refer to as the “fatal flaw” in the argument – making the damn thing work! Rothbard criticizes those who are for a limited government – even Robert Nozick. But the question is, if we want a libertarian state to exist, it has to rise from reality – present day conditions. Imagine that the Indian government decides tomorrow that it will pull the army from Kashmir by the end of Jan ’09 – let libertarian institutions take over. What will happen? Or imagine the same with Georgia. Just a thought. Will come to that some day – after I clear my head.

    “It is obvious to me that you dont look upon the Israeli state as a terrorist.”
    No I don’t. An aggressive state that sometimes does not think before acting (Lebanon ’06), perhaps. But terrorist, no.

    “Until the discovery of oil,Israel was not even a gleam in the British politician’s eye. -rather some place in Uganda was marked as the ‘chosen’ land”
    How far back do we go? Should America hand over its entire territory to the “Red Indians”. Should India hand over powers to the descendants of the Mughals, Marathas and so on? Should Bangladesh be de-recognized?
    The geopolitical fact is Israel is there in the Middle East for over 60 years, the same amount of time India has been free. Two states could have been formed – the Jewish one, and the Arab one – without any bloodshed. But since the ME Arabs are hell bent on turning time back, that won’t happen. If they kill Jews, they are foolish to assume that the Jews won’t take revenge.

    “The US ,as Ron Paul points out,arms both the Arabs and Israelis with billions of dollars of arms and watches the fun”
    I am not an expert on this, any articles to substantiate this? The Israelis have a good weapons program of their own; granted some of it is in partnership with the US. But the Hamas and Hezbollah are being armed by the various Arab states, in particular by Iran. Unless you are referring to arms purchases by the Saudis, and that has more to do with Iran and the general insecurity in the region (and previously Saddam, he did invade Kuwait) than Israel. The ME is a crazy place: Iran vs. Iraq; Sunni vs. Shia; Sunni vs. Sunni. No honor among thieves.

    “If the ‘west’ goes. -I dont know where it is going to go-is that necessarily a bad thing?”
    I am talking about a liberal civilization, or whatever remains of it. The day world opinion turns completely against Israel with even the Americans deserting it, that would be the day an obituary for liberalism would be written. We want to move forward, not backward, I suppose.

    “Many of the Arabs do recognize Israel.In anycase,Israel in the middle east is a reality.”
    At least two countries do.

    “The best the other people can do is just stop interfering and supplying arms”
    Yes, the “international community”, particularly Britain should stop interfering, and let Israel hammer out its own solution. The British; can never really understand them – they have this uneasy knack of finding a problem for every solution.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On January 7, 2009 at 12:22 am

    let libertarian institutions take over. What will happen? Or imagine the same with Georgia. Just a thought. Will come to that some day – after I clear my head.
    what do you mean? the “it will not survive/end in disaster” theory? what do your prophecies tell you?

  • Aristotle The Geek  On January 7, 2009 at 12:53 am

    I guess you know what libertarianism is; a simple definition would be – limited government, zero regulation, absolute freedom of speech and expression, and absolute individual and property rights. How would such a society defend itself from a Pakistan, or China, or Russia? That’s what I meant. Consider philosophical anarchism

    Rather than taking up arms to bring down the state, philosophical anarchists “have worked for a gradual change to free the individual from what they thought were the oppressive laws and social constraints of the modern state and allow all individuals to become self-determining and value-creating.” They may oppose the immediate elimination of the state by violent means out of concern that it would be left unsecured against the establishment of a more harmful and oppressive state.

    Which country would you prefer – India, or China? That kind of question.

  • you12  On April 29, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    I am not sure where are you trying to get here. So we are suppose to support Israel and all its crimes, so that some sort of phony civilization can survive?

    Israel for its all its talk,discriminates against every non jewish subjects of its own. Plus there are laws which prevent the marriage of Non Jewish to Jewish.

    If Israel treated Palestinians better, they wouldn’t have to worry so much about some idiots blowing up their buses and cities. And thats basically what Hamas is doing, It spends most of its funds on welfare and rebuilding with a just and transparent process that has won the public suppoort for them.

    All of the geopolitics that you support is actually the root cause of terrorism. America has supported every thing that it now calls evil. Al Qaeda,Bin Laden,ISI.

    So am I suppose to believe that some gun toter in a remote location in AFPak is going to destroy my civilization when I have 5000 N bombs?Or because of things like SAVAK
    there is a legitimate hatred of USA that can only be stopped by leaving them alone?

    Or you have a thing against Muslims in general. Then your position is somewhat justified.

    Heres a scenario, lets say we get Modi as PM and he starts riots,subverts the legal process and shows disdain for Muslim lives. Would you want Amerika to come and save India then?

    • Aristotle The Geek  On April 30, 2009 at 12:08 am

      # “All of the geopolitics…to come and save India then?
      I don’t “support” geopolitics. I think the Americans should stay in their country, and we in ours – militarily speaking. America has always managed to shoot itself in its foot by trying to preempt “enemies.” It has supported some of the worst dictators in the world, and many of their allies were mass murderers and terrorists. But I am not talking about America. Israel.

      You miss the whole Arab problem. Israel is a Jewish state in the middle of Arabia. And the Arabs don’t want it there – its “their” land. That’s why they are hell bent on destroying Israel. Terrorism isn’t caused by Israeli oppression. It’s part of the Arab/ ME hate for the Jewish state. Why do you think the Iranian president refuses to acknowledge the holocaust, or talks about oppression while oppressing his own minorities? A simple question. Why doesn’t Hamas recognize Israel?

      Are you aware of this, or this? The British fucked Palestine like they fucked India. The “Empire,” for all its might and erudition, was a grand failure when it came to settling the political problems of its colonies. No party is blameless there – neither the Arabs, nor Britain nor the Jews. This is the Arab parallel to the partition of India.

      The only solution is the two-state one. The Jews are not going to leave Arabia.

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