The Raj Thackeray interview

Shobha De interviews Raj Thackeray-

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SD: As a politician, how important is money?

RT: Most important. What can you run without money?

SD: The young Maharashtrians, even those living around Shivaji Park, young educated, restless Maharashtrians… do they subscribe to your tactics?

RT: Tactics?

SD: Yes, tactics. Using force on people, throwing stones, pelting cars, destroying property… do they approve of it? Don’t you think you’re giving Bombay a very bad name?

RT: Mumbai.

SD: Ok, Mumbai.

RT: If this is giving a bad name to Mumbai, then what do you say of the 1992-93 riots? Did the industries not come to Maharashtra at all? The point is this — you don’t take away my rights, I won’t take yours.

SD: Do you justify Hitler’s tactics?

RT: Yes, I do. If you don’t understand my point of view, I’ll have to do this. For me, Maharashtra’s pride is most important. Maharashtra is for Marathi manoos. Will you say England belongs to other nationals because they are there in large numbers?
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  • Ranjit Thakur  On October 23, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    All of us should support Raj Thackeray and take his initiative ahead by doing more…

    1. We should teach our kids that if he is second in class, don’t study harder.. just beat up the student coming first and throw him out of the school

    2. Parliament should have only Delhiites as it is located in Delhi
    3. Prime-minister, president and all other leaders should only be from Delhi
    4. No Hindi movie should be made in Bombay. Only Marathi.
    5. At every state border, buses, trains, flights should be stopped and staff changed to local men
    6. All Maharashtrians working abroad or in other states should be sent back as they are SNATCHING employment from Locals
    7. Lord Shiv, Ganesha and Parvati should not be worshiped in our state as they belong to north (Himalayas)
    8. Visits to Taj Mahal should be restricted to people from UP only
    9. Relief for farmers in Maharashtra should not come from centre because that is the money collected as Tax from whole of India, so why should it be given to someone in Maharashtra?

    10. Let’s support Kashmiri Militants because they are right in killing and injuring innocent people for the benefit of their state and community..

    11. Let’s throw all MNCs out of Maharashtra, why should they earn from us? We will open our own Maharashtra Microsoft, MH Pepsi and MH Marutis of the world

    12. Let’s stop using cellphones, emails, TV, foreign Movies and dramas. James Bond should speak Marathi
    13. We should be ready to die hungry or buy food at 10 times higher price but should not accept imports from other states
    14. We should not allow any industry to be setup in Maharashtra because all machinery comes from outside
    15. We should STOP using local trains… Trains are not manufactured by Marathi manoos and Railway Minister is a Bihari
    16. Ensure that all our children are born, grow, live and die without ever stepping out of Maharashtra, then they will become true Marathi’s

    JAI MAHARASHTRA!

    • NILESH  On March 6, 2009 at 8:41 pm

      WHO ARE YOU TO TALK ABOUT MR.RAJSAHEB THACKREY

      • Aristotle The Geek  On March 6, 2009 at 11:03 pm

        Can’t you see? He is a “bhaiyya” who is angry that Biharis and UP-ites are being thrashed by Thackeray’s “followers” while the police do the disappearing act. All this jingoism, sub-nationalism and infighting will one day gut the country, and since people don’t stand up to the Thackerays and Modis of this land, they deserve everything that happens because of it.

        As Mogambo said – jahil hindustaniyon ne apne history, apne itihaas se kuch nahi sikha.

    • suresh giri  On March 29, 2009 at 4:35 pm

      we said brother

  • Aristotle The Geek  On October 23, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    I don’t know where your political sympathies lie, but Raj Thackeray is simply reinterpreting the the Indian Constitution in his own way, correcting the apparent self-contradictions as he goes along.

    India and Indian politicians judge people based on their religion, caste and language – that is why we have everything from states divided on the basis of language, reservations in jobs and education for various castes and classes, financial support to pilgrimages and festivals and so on. He simply extends these ideas to the local level and uses the “sons of the soil” criteria – much like Malaysia’s bhumiputra policy.

    If you want to change Thackeray, change the Indian constitution and the mentality of the Indian politician.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On October 23, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    haha wonderful.

    but seriously, if you want to talk about raj’s action’s and let emotions take the best of you then you’ll de-rail the whole issue.

    violence and emotions aside… raj questions the influx of UP/bihari’s in maharashtra. if there are people coming in then there should be equal people going out. no one goes to UP or bihar for jobs. so the balance has been breached. the other thing he questions is the corruption in railway recruitment. yesterday the CM of orissa said in the parliament: if the oriyya’s can crack an IAS exam them why do they fail to crack a simple railway exam.
    it was found that around 70% railway employees in orissa are of UP/bihar origin.

    but sadly, our pacifist emotional north-india backed news channels seem to b!tch about violence and racism and regionalism day and night. the people of bihar had gone and burned down a train when they should have burned down there administration and there useless govt. with it. seems the world isn’t smart enough to figure out what the root cause of the problem is.

    here’s my futuristic scenario for the year 2015:
    -the conditions in UP/bihar will prevail.
    -people will continue to come to maharashtra for jobs
    -the maharshtrians will continue to grudge against north-indians
    -politicians in UP/bihar will cry regionalism and hatred
    -people of UP/bihar will burn down more trains
    -no one will blame the useless UP/bihar govt.
    -20 more news channels from north-india will spring up calling for a ban on shiv sena/MNS
    -the useless leaders from UP/bihar continue to be hailed as a PM candidate
    -long story short. refer conditions of 2008

    long live india and indian logic.

  • you12  On October 24, 2008 at 10:57 am

    hindu_infidel you do realizer that Maharashtra was created for administrative purposes only and not for some culture or to decide who gets to live where.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On October 24, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    you12, don’t you realize where the real problem lies?

    im not here to comment on raj’s ideologies nor his violent actions on the poor north-indian stock. 98% of the blogs and media channels are already doing that. this situation had become imminent and bound to happen some day or another.

    there’s a fine line between philosophy and reality. majority of the people seem to enjoy blurring that line by ignoring human instincts/tendencies.

  • Undercover Indian  On October 24, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    I would say that Raj Thakerray is a a good student. He has stated that he admires Hitler. In Mein Kemf, Hitler has a big chapter on “tool of propaganda”. In fact when you read it, you are bound to get fascinated by what Hitler says about how Information has to be converted into propaganda and how it should then be used for mass mobalisation in politics.

    That is excatly what Raj is doing. He is using some half truths, some conventional wisdom (not necessarily true), Some utter lies, some genuine issues, lots opf rhetoric, mixing them into a propaganda and serve them to his audience which is mostly unemployed and half witted youths. This he hopes would mobalise a mass supoort for him and his career would be made. And he is partly Successful.

    Afterall, a man on street is bound to believe him when he says that “look we dont have jobs because all our taxi drivers are from Bihar or UP”. Nobody would question what stops a Marathi Manoo from plying a taxi or opening a paan shop!! It is a convenient argument which appeals to many as it puts blame on others and not on oneself.

  • Aristotle The Geek  On October 24, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    y.a.h.i,
    “there’s a fine line between philosophy and reality. majority of the people seem to enjoy blurring that line by ignoring human instincts/tendencies.”
    Everything we do is based on some philosophy – whether we know it or not. Philosophy is not something that is disconnected from reality, although some people have tried to do that. Thackeray’s philosophy is collectivism based on xenophobia and he doesn’t mind the use of force.

    Why are the UP-ites, Biharis etc going to Maharashtra, Punjab and Assam – because of the lawlessness and lack of jobs in their own state. But how is beating them of any use? If Thackeray has the guts, he should go and clobber Bihari and UP politicians.

    If state based politics is carried to its logical conclusion, Punjab will refuse to send wheat out of the state; Jharkhand, Chhatisgarh and Orissa will say that coal, iron ore and bauxite belongs to us – like ULFA’s policy on oil in Assam; and so on. Perhaps that is best for all concerned.

    Undercover Indian,
    “Afterall, a man on street is bound to believe him when he says that “look we dont have jobs because all our taxi drivers are from Bihar or UP”. Nobody would question what stops a Marathi Manoo from plying a taxi or opening a paan shop!!”
    The protectionists in the US and UK are doing the same thing – they don’t get violent though – without understanding the issued involved.

    Classic case of seeing only one side of the issue. If the “bhaiyyas” left – those who perform menial tasks at least – half the taxis will stop plying; if the laborers from AP who stay in “houses” with tin roofs, and build sky scrapers, left, the building trade would shut down; if the “gujjus” and “marwaris” left, finance and trade in Mumbai would collapse – same with “parsis” and “sindhis”. We can keep going on. Thackeray assumes that these people are some kind of leeches who are corrupting Mumbai. Too bad.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On October 25, 2008 at 11:49 am

    excellent point dear aristotle. what raj should have done is go there and beat up the politicians for fu@king up things for the whole country. but is that possible? can the politicians of maharashtra command politicians in UP/bihar to do there job properly.

    lallu yadav’s RJD and the whole SP brigade are the one’s who keep UPA together. and there the one’s who’re forcing the UPA govt. to act tough on raj thackray. mayawati is a “dalit ki beti”, forget about her. what you see now is a man who has taken the law in his own hands. whether ppl like it or not.

    i think the grudge is against the (in)famous four states of this country. your philosophy on gujju’s, marwari’s and sindhi’s is a bit unrealistic. if it were really a non-marathi manoos issue then they would have kicked everybody out. were confusing the issue by crying foul on regionalism.

    what i’m trying to say is that this was bound to happen some day or another in maharshtra. justice is an alien word in india. i don’t expect justice for raj’s menace of beating down poor people and i don’t expect justice or anti-discrimination from the centre which is being backed by corrupt politicians of two of the worst states in this country. these are cases which we have no control over. for those desperate to achieve orgasms by bashing raj thackray should consider watching indian news channels.

    the person to blame here is not raj thackray or MNS or north indians… but it’s the administration of these two states who are to blame.

  • shekhar  On October 26, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    ye desh hai veer jawano ka….Ranjeet you are very correct …very nice thinking you have …these mns party workers are behaving like terrorists…….I am sure one day they will be demanding a separate country …then listen u terrorists…….we do love our country and its intigrity ….and we do believe in one nation format………..The people who don’t like our integrity …we should do tadipar from India….we should declare them terrorist …..

  • Aristotle The Geek  On October 26, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    This is “Jingoism 101”. How many people will you “tadipar” from India? Fix the politicians first; then talk of patriotism. Better still, read this.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On October 26, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Raj Thackray should be the next Prime Minister. BWAHAHAAHA

  • you12  On October 27, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Aristotle, I disagree. Fix the people first. Politics will change automatically. And that is just not going to happen until a monumental event occurs like the holocaust.

  • Marathi Manoos  On October 28, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    For maintaining the unity of India, let us request Modi to invite Bhaiyyas to work at Nano Project.
    Based on logic of national harmony, freedom, and democracy, this way our country should transform into first class country !
    All the industrialists around the world will want to set-up their plants in Gujarat. All Bhaiiyas will vote for Modi and he will become Prime minister of India !

    This is not happening, and therefore India is behind in lot of subjects. All the states in India should urgently communicate the above message to Modi. Once this is done Marathi manoos can also learn a few lessons about how to treat their “brotherly bhaiyyas” in a nice way.

    Till such time, bhaiyyas should get beaten up ! Beaten up badly ! beat at sight ! Each and every time ! ( I am using the word Bhaiiyaa but it should be read as UP + Bihar migrants)

    There is a good saying in Latin Language “ Quem não chora, não mama” – it means if a kid does not cry, even his own mother will not feed him.

    This saying appears to be applicable to Raj Thakrey.
    Raj has valid points (earlier he did not have points), but in current state of Politics nobody would have heard him/or was listening to him in a serious way. And to reach where Raj wants to go, beating-up the Bhaiiyyas is a very good option he has chosen. Let us understand one thing, Raj has not touched religion. He has made it clear that he does not want to play national level politics. Simple rule – if you want to get heard – first attract attention. Now lot of people are carefully reading/hearing what Raj communicates. So in his defined game, he has hit a sixer in the first over itself !

    Weather it is UP, Bihar, or Southern states, regional parties are already or are becoming prominent. Look at Mayavati, Lalu, Paswan, Jayalalitha etc etc. As India is full of diversity, it is becoming more and more difficult for a single party to gain clear national majority in elections. When attending regional issues in New Delhi, MP’s from Bihar, UP, south etc, join hands across parties and demonstrate unity at state level, when representing their state. This is not seen in case of Maharashtra MP’s. Why did Sharad Pawar kept quiet, when Lalu mentioned that henceforth railway exams should not be held in MAH. Why doesn’t he sits for a drink or two with Lalu and solve the problem of recruitment in railways, and get some justice of MAH, finally they are part of same national government. Aren’t these states already promoting organized + poisonous regionalism? And isn’t this more dangerous to the national unity of India? If no, then Maharashtra also needs a hardcore Marathi party. A party which plays politics with Marathi agenda, and for Marathi Manoos. So, it will be good for Marathi Manoos, if Raj maintains his “Marathi” agenda and keeps batting for long with regular sixes and fours ! We all should cheer and support him ! It’s simple, Raj will never get Non-Marathi votes in Mah now. If we and entire Marathi community does not support him, NO LEADER WILL EVER WANT TO TAKE THE LEADERSHIP OF MARATHI MANOOS IN THE FUTURE OF MAHARASHTRA. Let us not make a joke of ourselves.

    Coming back to issue of Marathi Manoos outside Mah  Greatness of India as a country lies in its diversity. Each state is unique, and plays a key role in the foundation of India as a country. Let us ask, is Bihar respecting its own responsibility to progress and co-exist with other states? On the contrary, Biharis are imposing themselves on other states. Yes, we have freedom and democracy. But let us understand clearly the meaning of freedom and democracy. One can do anything in this country within the limits of natural laws of co-existence, as well as constitutional laws. So it is very clear, that the freedom and democracy ends, when the person next to us is wrongfully disturbed. It is Biharis who are migrants in a massive scale, and they are the ones who should learn to respect local culture, language etc. Otherwise Marathi manoos has every right to feel disturbed, insulted etc. What Bhaiiyas and their leaders are doing right now is “abuse of democracy and freedom”. Therefore let us clearly understand, that if the country breaks and destabilizes, then it will be purely because of Bihar ( & similar states) , and not at all because of MAH or Marathi Manoos. Marathi Manoos has learned the local language, culture and was welcomed to re-locate due to special skills and other positive factors. Same with everybody. If you start disrespecting the local culture, disturb the social climate, then see even the Americans will create issues against Indians !. Which is naturally not the case. Same applies with Marathi manoos outside Mah.

    In fact, if Marathi Manoos starts facing problems outside Mah, just because a political party is raising local agenda in MAH, then guys “Open up your eyes “ we are facing clear goondaism from other states.
    They can have local/regional agenda and we can’t?

    One Bhaiiya wrote a letter to Raj, which was published some where.
    Following is one of the line from his letter : “After struggling and trying very hard, I quit Bihar and never went back ! It is mainly because Bihar is full of caste discrmination, economic problem, negative attitude, etc etc discrimination at all levels, and it became more evident to me, once I was out of Bihar. So, my dear Raj Thakrey, I thank you for what you have done. When our Bhaiyyas, came here, at least you did not do any discrimination, and gave them your zatka with total equality !” Not funny, but there is a point to ponder upon.

    And finally, A “COUNTRY” is MAN MADE. If GOD MADE things keep evolving, keep changing shape, form and size, then IF IT IS FOR GOOD, why should we worry so much IF INDIA CHANGES SHAPE AND SIZE.

    I had gone to a Kashmir trip thru my school. The beautiful locations I visited that time as a tourist, are clearly not a part of India any more.

    • Pravin  On March 23, 2009 at 12:37 pm

      Really good artical. Thanks. Pravin

  • you12  On October 29, 2008 at 10:49 am

    MM, Thanks for proving my earlier comment right. Concepts like MNS,BNP are best for people who can’t do anything in life and blame others for every problem. The Nazis came into power by blaming Jews and you know what happened. Self imposed victim identity is the fastest way to hell. Lets hope for the sake of “other” states
    Raj Thackrey wins.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On October 30, 2008 at 1:22 am

    interesting read Marathi Manoos. though, the problem isn’t raj thackray or MNS or north indians. many people on the blogs and on the news channels seem to be caught up in emotions and all they have done is comment on the actions they see in front of the screen and made the issue as regionalism.

    i hate sounding anti-north like this but there problems weight more than raj thackray’s actions here. UP/bihari’s have migrated to different states since the 60’s. that’s more than 40 years and there state is yet to be among the “developing”. sixties: that’s when they started that soviet styled ten year developmental reforms. the 70’s and 80’s saw a big influx of people to mumbai. buses roamed the streets to recruit ppl for govt. jobs. people were picked up randomly and hired as govt. employees. the marathi manoos never migrated like the south or the northern people. so this went on for a few decades. and later started the marathi manoos migration to mumbai. it was too late by then. the demography had already changed. marathi manoos found that a great no of govt. employees in mumbai were of bihar/UP origin. the marathi manoos, especially the “jai bhim” marathi’s were pissed. they felt cheated.

    this issue was of dear importance to the marathi manoos and raj was the guy who spoke about it. if you ban MNS or raj or SHIV SENA then someone else will take the stage but this time with more fury. like they say: A Fire in the Master’s House is Set.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On November 6, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    interesting read. delivers a crash course about mumbai city. though, thapar too seems to have gotten a little emotional over raj thackray’s actions and wastes a lot of time discussing about the MNS chief when the issue is something else. there’s brief talk an that too.

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/devils-advocate-shobhaa-de-on-mumbai-vs-bombay/76806-3-single.html

  • Aristotle The Geek  On November 6, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    De says – “I think we haven’t analysed enough as to why this is happening and why Raj is being portrayed as the monster.”
    What’s there to analyze? Either Thackeray wins; or he becomes politically irrelevant. But nothing will change the situation on the ground. Cities in Maharashtra will still suffer from crippling power cuts, poor water supply, bad roads, corruption in municipalities and so on. Maybe some people will benefit emotionally, like with the Obama win and therefore the defeat of a third Republican administration, but that’s it.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On November 6, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    here’s a hard fact about mumbai and maharashtrians.
    Shobhaa De: Maharashtrians will not do the kind of jobs like dhobis (washermen), darbans (attendants), bhel-puri waala (street-food shop owner), taxi driver – which they consider, may be, a little demeaning and beneath themselves.
    back during the rains, i met with these kids in the trains who had came from tamil nadu or something. they had come to clean the gutters during the rains.

    the maharastrians themselves are to blame for failing to participate in 3rd and 4th degree jobs. it was sad to see those ppl get beat up who were the one’s doing these jobs. i agree there’s a demography change in the city and 3rd/4th degree jobs should go to the locals but i don’t see any participation from them. a lot of my maharashtrian friends agree to this fact.

    raj thackray will get a lot of votes in the coming elections, no doubt. he’s aiming at white collar jobs so my guess is if he becomes a CM then expect forceful reservations for marathi speaking stock in private sectors.

  • Aristotle The Geek  On November 6, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    In one of the comments above, I had written – “If state based politics is carried to its logical conclusion, Punjab will refuse to send wheat out of the state; Jharkhand, Chhatisgarh and Orissa will say that coal, iron ore and bauxite belongs to us – like ULFA’s policy on oil in Assam; and so on.”. A couple of days back, Jharkhand CM Shibu Soren said

    “We may consider restricting mineral supply to Maharashtra if violence against north Indians continues. At present, we have adopted a wait and watch policy.”

    It seems he’s still waiting and watching.

    Reservations; if Raj wins and enforces it, expect a backlash from the North. Further, states like Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh will start thinking on similar lines. All these people are racists and bigots of the worst kind – after all, discrimination is a part and parcel of the “great” Indian culture.

    Lets see how politicians fight the market – de jure and de facto are entirely different concepts; they might get the laws passed; the question is will they be able to implement them. I don’t think so.

  • Raj Kamal  On November 15, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    maharashtra or mumbai kisi ke paap ki jagir nahi hai, every indian has equally right to work anywhere in india. it is our duty to make our country strong and united to get progress in all fields. The act of Raj Thakre is much bitter than Md. Ali Jinnah. how a marathi is different from a bihari. if you relly think they are worst than you should take a positive step. what will you do if your (all marathi brother) mother give birth a handicapt child,will you kill him?if yes then i am agree with raj thakre, but if not than why all of you are supprting him. if yopu are tru maratha then you should support a poor man. all of you call them BHAIYYA and meening of it in your language is BHAAU, then why you all are behaving like this.if you (HIRSHI Says above) UP & Bihar do not have proper infrastructure, education institutes, medical facilities, entertainment stuffs, good jobs & many more such things which are essential to live a good life. But they definitely have illiteracy,????? you should see by going there, i have seen all maharshtra and UP, Bihar, Himachal, AP, MP, Rajasthan, Haryana, Orisa, chhattisgarh, gujrat, tamil, kerla, andhra, karnataka, himachal, punjab, J&K, ….allmost all india that’s why i can feel integrity of india. i love india and it includes all states and UTs. But You Koop-Manduk, thinks maharashtra is the last world

  • Nilesh Dhanwant  On December 11, 2008 at 7:47 am

    18 yrs ago am 33 now, in mulund area of mumbai cuz that is where i am from originally, currently i am in the UK, have been here for just over 4 yrs – i was walking and heard two people talking, the girl told her friend she hates marathis…i dare any non-tamilian to and say that in chennai, or for that matter a non- kannadiga to say that in bangalore(given that these two cities are cosmopolitan as well).a movmement for reservation of kannadigas in local jobs has been on since 1983.The very famous Burkha Dutt interviewed the person who started this movement and was televised on ndtv.They classify people as kannadigas as people who have been in the city/state for atleast 15 years,just so that eveyrthing is clear the classification also involves people who have been born in the state.Howcome no one ever spoke against this nationally.Okay agreed Raj’s method are not right – i do not support violence and rioting.People say delhi, kolkota have metros and mumbai doesnt,does anyone wonder why? agreed politicians everywhere are corrupt, so the ones in maharashtra cannot be any different.so judging by the same criteria you get the answer to why some particular states in north are not developed.Everyone knows that every other nurse in the hospital is a keralite or a malyali, so how come there is no agitation against kerlaites by MNS.Howcome there is no agitation against Gujrat’s. Someone might agrue Bal Thackrey had such agitations against gujrati’s in late 80’s and early 90’s.Well if someone like Jaywantiben Mehta says – Mumbai Tumchi tar Tumchi, Bhaandi ghasa aamchi, what it means is that okay agreed mumbai is yours,now wash our bartan/utensils obviously refering to the kaamwali bai’s we are so used to seeing in Hindi movies.This is was said to someone saying aamchi mumbai.I lived in mumbai for 29 yrs and my granny lived on 5 min frm me. Never in 29 yrs had we a maharashtrian woman as kaamwali bai,The first lady was a very good gujrati lady, she was well versed in marathi, till i was about 15-16 i did not even know she was gujrati that is how well versed she was.The next one was tamil and so was the one after.So why did she(Jaywantiben Mehta)have to say anything against marathi people. It was in response to that the agitation by thackrey was started.and ofcourse i am not being naive enough to know that elections were nearing as well and he had used the issue to leverage political mileage.You all people who have responded in this forum are very learned and intelligent.so i guess i do not need to remind Chara ghotala etc.Why do we not see investment in the northern states as much as we see in Andhra or Karnataka, there was a time when Andhra had the highest FDI, now dont throw figures at me about orissa and areas like noida.The reason why i have not mentioned maharashtra is that it is the area in question and it can be argued that all people, gujratis, bengalis, south indians, north indians have helped in maharashtra’s growth.Raj thackrey has never opposed to anyone coming and working in mumbai or maharashtra.But when someone comes to mumbai or maharashtra and says that XYZ state humari hai,ab maharashtra ki baari hai.I have mentioned a lot of things above which would give the reader the impression an idea that i fully endorse what raj thackrey is doing,which is not at all the case. There are lot of issues inter-connected here.If i were to address each one of then i would probably end up writing a book.However i am limiting myself to addressing the raj issue,because the main focus everywhere is limited to raj as well.Someone said that raj is a good student and student of Hitler,and that MM, Thanks for proving my earlier comment right. Concepts like MNS,BNP are best for people who can’t do anything in life and blame others for every problem. The Nazis came into power by blaming Jews and you know what happened. Self imposed victim identity is the fastest way to hell. Lets hope for the sake of “other” states Raj Thackrey wins.Well this means that raj will win – violence will emancipate after he wins and then he will perish like hitler did, but the gentleman/lady forgets before hitler perished he unleashed hell on the jews and caused the biggest war of the 20th century.so i would say that for the sake of other states raj thackrey looses, the same person has mentioned about BNP, not sure if he wanted to address BJP or BNP as in British Nationalist Party.I have mentioned earlier that i have been in the uk, i follow the politics here,the same problem is here as well – the irish,the welsh,the scotts and the english live together and face the same problem, Since the UK has only a population of 60 million(lesser than that of maharashtra, let alone UP)and is(loaded with money stolen from the colonial days)and the development all across UK is more or less same when it comes to socio-economics,literacy,employment etc. the scale of the problem is obviously nothing compared to that in india.So you would wonder why then do these problems still exist in the uk, well i havent found the complete answer as yet, i guess i havent studied hard because looks like the answer lies in the past. people say past is past and nothing can be done about it.but the present is the result of the past and the present will shape the future.Then there is the economic migration of the polish,romanians,the bulgarians which is now troubling the UK,because since these countries joined the EU in 2003-2005 period, millions of polish have come to the uk,the waiting list for passports in bulgaria from 2003 is in millions.Like i said i would end up writing a book by the time i finish, so i am afraid i am going to have to stop, it is 2.11 at night here, i usually never repond to any forums etc.but something made me write and respond today.To know how i exactly feel about all this please see Shobha De’s interview by Karan Thapar on his programme Devil’s Advocate which is available on youtube.She has said in exact words the exact sentiment which i have been feeling for last 15 odd yrs,i am NOT a fan (let alone a big one) of Shobha De, but just this once i couldnt agree more with her.

  • Aristotle The Geek  On December 11, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    The CNN-IBN Shobha De interview you refer to has already been linked to a few comments back – this is the transcript, as well as the video. As far as your comment is concerned, there are many things I agree with, and some with which I don’t. And as you say, there is so much to say on this topic – if you want to analyze the sociology – that it might fill a whole book. But I will say something, nonetheless.

    A solution to the insider-outsider problem, not only in India, but the UK as well as the US, is beyond present day politics because we have zero respect for people’s rights – absolute ones – to life, to property, to free speech. What we have today is a grand collectivist orgy. So all the rioting, and violence, and emotional pleas, and rhetoric will continue with no end in sight, and one should not waste time attempting the impossible, whatever emotional involvement one may feel regarding a particular issue – its Raj Thackeray today, it will be reservations tomorrow, and something else the third day.

  • you12  On December 11, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Ah the good old discussions of “Maratha pride”. Territorial pride and collectivist protectionism.Not to mention the hardcore worshiping of a fictional culture, a phenomenon that occurs across the nation.

    Collectivism is ignorance. (Is there anything like a maratha manoos?) There is a clear link between fascism and collectivism.

    Collectivist ignorance in its full glory:

    http://www.howobamagotelected.com

    Would you say objectivism conceived by that cigarette loving lady is a collectivist sentiment as well? I mean what the hell is an objectivist? The hole notion of liberals VS. Cons Vs. Objectivists. All collectivist in my opinion.

  • Aristotle The Geek  On December 12, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Objectivism as a philosophy is not collectivist – its individualistic. But as with any other system, it is prone to misinterpretation and people going with style over substance, and more importantly, there is a danger of a personality cult forming around Rand, especially with people who think that after reading Atlas Shrugged a couple of times, they have become Objectivists of some kind. Though I am not very clear about some areas of Objectivism – its ethics, specifically, I did write about it once, especially the “using your own head” part.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On December 12, 2008 at 11:30 am

    unbalanced economic development… that’s the real culprit here. like Aristotle said somewhere: a mere 7-8 states out of the 28 are developed. raj thackeray is just a small part of the aftermath. states better pull there act together and start attracting industries quickly cause there’s no other fix for this problem.

  • Aryan Niyukti  On January 18, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    How about all of us go local for our Jobs especially the low wage, low skilled jobs. Makes sense for such jobs to be filled up locally. We need to stop creating ‘vote banks’ by trying complex solutions before resorting to ‘common sense’ ideas and solutions.

    Aryan
    Bihar Jobs

  • you12  On January 19, 2009 at 9:50 am

    He should have been interviewed by Arundhati Roy and not Shobha De. Now that interview might have been jolly good times!

  • Aristotle The Geek  On January 19, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    I am not a misogynist, nor a member of the collectivist fan club of Modi and Thackeray, but Roy is as crazy as they get and I wouldn’t send her to meet my worst enemy.

  • yet_another_hindu_infidel  On January 21, 2009 at 2:04 am

    people like arundhati roy give rebellion a bad name.

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